Coaching Culture and the Four Types of Teachers with Nicole S. Turner, ep. 270

Coaching Culture and the Four Types of Teachers with Nicole S. Turner, ep. 270, Instructional Coaching with Ms. B Podcast

Chrissy Beltran [00:00:01]:

Hey, coach, and welcome to instructional coaching with miss b. Today, I am talking with my coaching BFF, Nicole S. Turner  S Turner, about coaching culture and the four types of teachers. I’m excited about this episode because I love anything that helps me better understand teacher motivations, and I think it’s gonna help you a lot. Nicole S. Turner  S Turner is an instructional coaching consultant, author, and founder of Simply Coaching Company and the Simply Coaching Summit. She helps instructional coaches and school leaders build stronger systems for instructional support that actually lead to classroom impact. Now we’re talking today about culture. And so if you have teachers who are just completely averse to working with you or who kind of avoid you when they see you coming, you’re in a tough spot, but that’s a really common problem for coaches to have. Coaches have to figure out how to reach teachers who are not interested in their support, and they have had to do this since the dawn of the first coach. So let me help you out with this. You can head to buzzingwithmissb.com/resistance and get a five day coaching resistant teachers challenge sent right to your inbox. It’s a very short video each day with a workbook that will help you work through this challenge and change your coaching relationship with even the teacher who is the most challenging for you. I know you’re gonna love it, and it’s gonna really positively influence your coaching. So let’s go ahead and welcome Nicole S. Turner  to the podcast so we can get started talking about coaching culture. So welcome to the podcast, Nicole S. Turner . I am so excited that you are joining us here again today on the podcast.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:01:25]:

Hey. Thank you so much for having me, back again. This is one of my absolute favorite. Oh, let let me stop. Not my one of. This is my absolute favorite podcast to be on. I absolutely love spending time with you. I love spending time, just talking, about just all things coaching. So thank you so much for the invitation, and and really excited to dive in into our conversation today.

Chrissy Beltran [00:01:53]:

Yeah. That’s great. I am so glad to have you here. I think this is probably your fourth time on the podcast meeting. Something something like that. It’s gotta be at least four. Yeah. Yeah. You’ve been around from the beginning, and I appreciate it. And today, we’re actually we’re in this miniseries talking all about coaching culture and how to establish establish coaching culture at our schools because we know if that is not the way our schools think about coaching, it’s really hard for a coach to make any kind of positive impact when you’re playing whack a mole and trying to you know, in each individual teacher, you’re handling differently. So I would love for you to share a little bit about some of the foundational things coaches need to think about as they’re trying to figure out what kind of coaching culture they have at the you know, in their school at this time and what they can do to move forward?

Nicole S. Turner  [00:02:36]:

Yeah. So before I answer that question, I do have to say, finally, we get to talk that other people can hear. It’s like our conversation makes it off the phone and now into a podcast. Podcast.

Chrissy Beltran [00:02:46]:

That’s true. Yes. We do. We chat a lot on the phone, and sometimes it’s like, maybe we should’ve just recorded that, and then we wouldn’t have had to do an episode.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:02:53]:

Record a lot of our conversations. Yes. So now we get to talk about this on the podcast, and it gets out of the phone. You know how people talk about, like, the trip that made it out of the the group chat.

Chrissy Beltran [00:03:03]:

Chat. Yeah.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:03:04]:

This conversation has finally made it out of the out of the, the phone calls as we go back and forth. So just a little bit about the culture. I talk about this a lot when I’m working with schools on the system level. Right? So let’s just think about it. There are two different ways in which we kinda think about working with instructional coaches. So we work with coaches individually around their work. Right? Their work of the coaching. Like, how are they are doing their coaching cycles and how they have conversations and the strategies. I know you have an amazing book coming out soon about the coaching strategies. Right? And

Chrissy Beltran [00:03:44]:

so Yes. Thank you.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:03:45]:

Yeah. We really talk about, that for the specific of the coach. Right? Mhmm. And in those conversations, what always comes up? Well, my principal thinks this, or I’m really Olivia Pope. You know, I would call it Olivia Pope coaching, and What? I’m doing all of these things, and it it all drives down to whether or not people have, a coaching culture in their building. A lot of times people will say, well, I have a ton of resistant teachers. And I’m like, do you have resistant teachers, or do you have teachers that just don’t understand what it is that you do?

Chrissy Beltran [00:04:19]:

That’s right.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:04:20]:

Right? And so they don’t understand what what you do, and because they don’t understand what it is that you do, then they’re resistant. They think that you’re the enemy. Right? You’re coming in. You’re the snitch. You’re all of those things. And all of that happens because you don’t have a coaching culture, which means that it is something that we do. There’s a quote that I use, when I am in, you know, the workshops and I’m talking to, teachers, when I’m talking to coaches, and I’m talking more or less with them not on the individual coach piece, but talking to them when we talk about the system level piece. Right?

Chrissy Beltran [00:04:58]:

Which is the other piece. Yeah.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:04:59]:

The other two is two pieces. The culture. When we talk about the system level piece of how we support teachers, that becomes that that coaching culture, the principal clarity, you know, all of those pieces of the puzzle. And so there’s one thing a a quote that I have is that coaching is not a support I mean, coaching is a support system, not a person. That’s one quote that I make sure, that I say. And the other quote is is that coaching shouldn’t be another thing. It should be the way we do the work. And so if we take those two quotes and we think about it, as we start to build the culture, it’s not, oh, here is Nicole S. Turner , and here she comes. It’s, oh, there’s my coach, and this is what we do.

Chrissy Beltran [00:05:49]:

Yeah. There’s my partner.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:05:50]:

Yeah. Exactly. And so that that relieves the resistance, but the culture of that is what allows for teachers to just be like, oh, okay. That’s my coach. Right? And so you have to start to think about as you start to build a culture, you can’t just be like, hey. We do coaching, and this is what we do. People gonna be like, okay. Cool. Right? Mhmm. And they Right. But before you do that, you have to do some prework. And so a lot of that prework that I do, with with, the coaches on the system level, the building level. Right? What I do with that is I have them to sit with their principal or their leadership team, and I have them to look at doctor Anthony Muhammad’s work. He has a amazing book called Transforming School Culture. It’s been out for a while, and I actually met with him. We sat down in Arizona last year, and I really told him, you know, my work. And we sat and we really talked about the how it translates into the coaching work, and how we, you know, really I I really have my my leadership team to really sit and identify who those four types of teachers are. Because in order to shift the culture, you must know who your audience is. And so in order to get buy in, you need to know who it is that you’re talking to so that you could relieve some of the stressors. I I call it talking to their trauma. I call it talking to trauma. Right? Mhmm. So it is kinda like if you and I go into a building where new where new new coaches in the building. We’re not new coaches, but we’re new coaches to the building. Right? And then we have some of these teachers who have, the last coach stabbed them in the back. Right. Right? And if the last coach stabbed them in the back, it doesn’t it doesn’t matter who I am, what I do, what I stand for, how I do any of this, they not go trust me. Right. Because of their trauma, because of their previous experiences. Right? Mhmm.

Chrissy Beltran [00:07:54]:

And

Nicole S. Turner  [00:07:54]:

so what we have to do is debunk or speak to that trauma. We have to tell them before they have to tell us. Right? We have to calm who they are, what they feel before we have to do that. And that is a big missing piece when we start to build a coaching culture in a building. Mhmm. And so doctor Mohammed’s work, is is exceptional. And so the four types of coaching I mean, I’m sorry. The four types of educators that he talks about are believers, tweeners, survivors, and fundamentalist. K? So those are the four types of educators. And a lot of people can, feel like this is a negative thing, and I get it when they start to talk about or say, you know, well, we’re identifying people. We’re labeling people. But, I mean, let’s be real. Like, you have to know who it is that you’re talking to. And in order to speak to someone’s trauma, you have to label it is. Now when I go up to a teacher and say, hey.

Chrissy Beltran [00:08:49]:

Right.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:08:49]:

You’re a survivor. Yeah. Like, no. I definitely do not. Right? Like, you wouldn’t say that. No. But in your planning, right, if you in your planning to create a culture of coaching, right, to for to go back to that quote of, like, this is what we do, not another thing. To in that planning part, you have to identify who it is that you’re talking to because you have to create messaging. And I tell them a lot. It’s like marketing. Right? It’s that psychologically it’s that it’s that psychological part of marketing. Like, you gotta you know, we talk about teacher buying in. Right? Like, in order to get teacher buying, you gotta relieve some of their stresses. You gotta talk to their trauma to get them bought into this. You can’t just talk about all the positives. You have to address the negatives that they’re experiencing, then that will allow you to then be able to, you know, move forward, and and then it will release some of their stressors. Right? So if if you have a coach who had been who had been betrayed and, I mean, a teacher who had been betrayed by a coach, and I come in and I say, hey. You know what? My job is not to betray you. My job is not to do x, y, and z. My job is to do this, and I’m here for you. And this is what my support looks like, and this is what my support does not look like. You’ve talked to their trauma already, and they’re like, okay. So you’ve already planted the seed that it’s gonna be different.

Chrissy Beltran [00:10:12]:

Mhmm. Yeah. I love that. Yes. You have to explicitly state it because we make assumptions about what people think about our jobs. We think, well, they would know because this is what I’m clearly doing this. I’m clearly doing that. If we don’t explicitly state it more than once, they don’t know what we’re doing.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:10:26]:

Exactly. Exactly. And then because you don’t have a classroom, they really think you do nothing. Yeah.

Chrissy Beltran [00:10:31]:

For sure. What do you do here anyway? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:10:35]:

Yeah. So let’s look at let let me let’s talk a little bit about those particular four types of educators. Right? So believers. Mhmm. How doctor Mohammed defines them are, you know, passionate about the school’s mission and actively support positive changes. Right? So those are those are our believers. Those are people, that are like they’re like, hey. We’re doing coaching. They’re like, yay. How are we gonna do it? Right?

Chrissy Beltran [00:11:01]:

They’re they’re Everybody can picture somebody there. Everybody can picture the person who I remember my first week of coaching, somebody came up into the hallway up to me in the hallway, and she was like, I really would like some ideas for vocabulary strategies. I looked at the data, and that’s where my kids are struggling this year. School had not even started. Okay. She just looked at this stuff from last year, and she was like, I really wanna know what I can do to support them. So if you can come by, that would be great. And that that’s the that’s those those people right there that make your job easy.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:11:25]:

Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Those believers. Absolutely. And so then now we have our tweeners. Mhmm. Tweeners are defined as, like, our new or less experienced teachers, often open to change, but they may lack strong opinions or commitments. Like, they just don’t know. Right? They are the those teachers that we talk about that they don’t know what they don’t know. Right? And so they’re like, oh, I’m feeling this out. Let me see what this is all about. Are we doing coaching? I kinda probably heard about it before. Don’t really know what it is. And And they can

Chrissy Beltran [00:11:56]:

be influenced by their colleagues.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:11:58]:

Absolutely. Because they don’t know. Mhmm. Absolutely. And so those are are, you know, are babies, I call them. And Okay. When I say and it doesn’t mean they’re eight. So a lot of people here when we think about cleaners, they think about, oh, the twenty one year old, 23 year old, 24 year old teachers that are coming in and, like, oh, they’re babies. But, no, there are a lot of second career teachers that are transitioning into to teaching. And so those those, teachers are also considered tweeners. We talk about less experience as a teacher. Mhmm. K?

Chrissy Beltran [00:12:34]:

Okay. Yeah.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:12:35]:

So then we have our four our third type of educator, which is our survivors. Right? And they are focused on just getting through the day. They’re overwhelmed, and they are resistant to change because they feel like, what? I have a system that is working, and here you come trying to tell me to do something different. Girl, gone. I got all this stuff going on. And let me make a note about survivors. I lived in that survivor world as an instructional coach for several years. My father was diagnosed with cancer during this time. And, all the the weekends, I was driving to Gary, back to Indianapolis, driving to Gary. I was there every single Sunday for almost, at least a good eight to nine months.

Chrissy Beltran [00:13:17]:

Mhmm. And it

Nicole S. Turner  [00:13:18]:

was during the school year, plus I had three kids at home who were very active. Right? And so I was just coming to work, doing what I needed to do, and leave. And so a lot of times, survivors, they get a bad rep because they’re not necessarily people who don’t care. Like, they can get labeled like, well, everything I do with her, she just doesn’t change. Well, you don’t you have to start to look at the person. Right? And you have to look at what else is going on in their life. Because a lot of times, it’s not that they don’t want to do all these ex you know, amazing things in the building, but they just don’t have the capacity. And their thing is, I’m here. I’m doing my job. I get my scores. My students are are learning. Leave me alone. Now you wanna come in and talk about doing a new instructional strategy. Boo, I don’t have time for that.

Chrissy Beltran [00:14:04]:

Mhmm.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:14:05]:

Right? And so those are survivors. And so when you identify the survivors, you wanna make sure that you think about them not just being negative, nancies, or not wanting to do anything, but you want to look at where they are in their life. If they’ve shared

Chrissy Beltran [00:14:20]:

Wow.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:14:21]:

Some of those things that are going on in their lives, you need to understand that. Mhmm. And then our final type of educator is our fundamentalist. And those people are just deeply rooted in in their past practices, and they’re capable of new initiatives and changes. And let me tell you why. These are the teachers that’s been teaching longer than I’ve been alive. Right? And reason being is that they have seen the pendulum swing everywhere. They’ve had 10 principals. They’ve been at several and everyone comes in like, we’re gonna do this new initiative. And you know what they say? Oh, girl. You know, that was what we did back when we first started teaching, and that was called something else. Right.

Chrissy Beltran [00:15:03]:

And they told us that was wrong, and now they told us to do something else.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:15:07]:

Right. Exactly. So it was like, well, when I first I I I think about this all the time. When I first start teaching, we were doing four block.

Chrissy Beltran [00:15:15]:

Mhmm.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:15:15]:

Right? The little color blocks. The red, the blue, the green, the yellow, like, four block. Read by yourself. Like, all of that. No one has talked about four blocks, right, at all ever. We we went from there to cafe to all all kinds of things. And so Dean’s teachers have seen the pendulum swing both ways, and guess what they say? It’s the exact same thing just with a new name. Mhmm. So why if if you come in, you say, hey. We’re doing coaching. And they’re like, oh, yeah. Two principals ago said that they were gonna do coaching. Or three coaches ago, they said they were gonna do coaches, and they never followed through. Or they came, and they did this, and they did that. So they don’t believe you. They don’t

Chrissy Beltran [00:15:53]:

you out. They they will wait you out. So, like, I’ll still be here when you’re gone, so I’ll just wait you out.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:15:58]:

Exactly. And so, you know, with those type of of of educators, they could be seen to be very, very negative or really, really negative Nancy’s, and they don’t wanna change. And the reason why they’re not gonna change is because they don’t believe that the initiative is gonna be followed through.

Chrissy Beltran [00:16:17]:

Mhmm. Yes. And I have seen that. I mean, how many times have we seen that? You know? The principal says, I’m gonna be in every classroom. I’m gonna be I can remember this as a specific example. I’m gonna be in every classroom. I’m gonna check those baskets that you have. I want the science notebooks, the interactive science notebooks we’ve been working on all year. I want them in a basket clearly labeled on a shelf, easily accessible so I can check them when I come into your classroom. That man never checked my notebooks. I had my notebooks there and I was doing what I was supposed to do, and I know plenty of people were not. And I found a way to make it work for myself. You know, I would just adjust things. Right? We don’t ever do anything exactly as anybody tells us, but, you know, it was good. And, and he never came to check my stuff. Never. And it’s just like that’s that’s why people wait. If you’re not realistic about what you’re gonna be able to do, people are just gonna wait you out. They’re like, eventually, he’s gonna stop, you know, talking about checking these notebooks, so I’m just gonna stop doing it.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:17:07]:

Yep. Exactly. And so the fundamentalist is like, yeah. I’m just gonna Mhmm. Weigh it out. I’m just gonna let it be, and it it’ll be it is what it is. Right?

Chrissy Beltran [00:17:15]:

Like, I don’t know. If he comes in and see it says see that they’re not there, I’ll say, oh, sorry. I, you know, I forgot to get to that, but I’ll do it tomorrow. They’re never gonna check again. They don’t it’s yeah. They don’t come back.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:17:24]:

The follow through.

Chrissy Beltran [00:17:25]:

Right. No follow through. That’s right.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:17:27]:

But so when we talk about that coaching culture, right, as we start to make those shifts, we have to start to think about how do we speak to those teachers, how do we talk to their traumas. Right? And then how do we create a plan that directly supports them to be better educators.

Chrissy Beltran [00:17:48]:

Mhmm.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:17:49]:

And so it can’t just be, hey. We’re doing coaching, and we talk about it in August, and then no one talks about it ever again.

Chrissy Beltran [00:17:58]:

Right.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:17:58]:

Building that coaching culture means that we are introducing what coaching is. We are talking to their actual, talking to their traumas. We are giving them how we support them. We’re making it very clear, and we are also doing a coach’s report every single month. Like, every staff meeting, there should be five or ten minutes where you are given some type of coaches support report about some of the work that we’re doing, any, you know, what do I say, any callouts or, you know, shout outs to different teachers that are doing different things. I know a lot of times coaches are trying to do the weekly newsletter. And let’s be real. No one is reading that. No one is reading your weekly newsletter. I mean, we do them, and we hope that they do, but they’re not reading it. Right? But if you come to the staff meeting and at every staff meeting, you say, hey. I wanna give three shout outs. These are the three teachers that I’ve been working with. Here’s some things that they’re they’re happening, blah blah blah. And then boom. You start to see the culture change. It’s it becomes like, oh, she’s working with her? It also allows when you do that intro at the beginning of the the year and you give them the coaching plan for the building Mhmm. You tell them how you are supporting them. It brings clarity. Right? But I always have the principal and the coach to do it together. Mhmm. And what I have it is, I have the principal to do the presentation of why we are doing this, and I have the coach do the presentation of how we’re doing this. And the reason is is that I have the principle to give some data. Like, give some some data of of what it is that’s happening, who it is that I mean, you know, that this is not just because a lot of people have it where coaching is just for, uncertified teachers, right, or or for teachers that are low performing or, you know, if they’re on a PIP plan or any of that, but coaching is for everyone. Right? And so we have to send that message. And so you actually send that message by the principal saying, hey. We’re utilizing coaching as a school improvement model or strategy. Right? Because that’s really what it is. And we are utilizing this, and this is why we are bringing coaching to the forefront. Mhmm. And we’re bringing coaching to the forefront because look at our data. Look at this. Look at that. This is our focus. Align it to your school improvement plan. I work with a lot you know, when I worked for, the Indiana Department of Ed. Mhmm. And, I was a school improvement specialist, so I worked with a lot of those schools. And what they would do is at the beginning of the year, create that school improvement plan, upload it to that document to the state, and, girl, nobody ever

Chrissy Beltran [00:20:43]:

ever saw it

Nicole S. Turner  [00:20:44]:

and looked at it. Yeah. Didn’t know what the it was or any of that. Mhmm. Take your school improvement plan. Align your coaching plan, your coaching system for the building, align that with the the school improvement plan, and the principal utilizes that data as the why. And then the coach comes and now says this is how, and now this is how I support you in the building. Makes it very, very clear.

Chrissy Beltran [00:21:09]:

I love that. That’s how

Nicole S. Turner  [00:21:10]:

we start to shift the culture. Right? And we start to really make the culture plain, and we make it, you know, out there. We make it really visible for people to see. And so that’s how we start to shift that that piece. And then you just keep working at it. Every single month, there’s a coaching report. Every single month, like, you’re constantly in the rooms. You know, people don’t start to feel it’s not gonna shift overnight, but you wanna talk to those four types of coaches. You want to build, a plan, and you want to present that plan where your principal does the why, you do the how, and then you support it every single month with the work.

Chrissy Beltran [00:21:48]:

I love that. And the last thing that I would love to know before we we, wrap up is you have a few questions that coaches can think about to help them kind of look at their school and see where they are and what moves they they need to consider. Can you share those questions?

Nicole S. Turner  [00:22:02]:

Yes. Absolutely. So one of the things that I I, the first question I do is, like, how do teachers currently view coaching? And you can get that answer through a survey. Mhmm. Right? So you you wanna think about that. And then, like, you wanna think about, like, what challenges do you, anticipate when you introduce coaching as a actual school improvement process, not just something to do. But when you actually introduce it, I call them teacher support systems, not coaching programs, but I call them more teacher support systems because it’s it’s way more than just one thing. But, like, as you what challenges do you anticipate when you plan to introduce this? And then what strengths already exist that we can build on? Mhmm. And so those are the three questions that, you with your principal can sit down or your leadership team can sit down and have conversations around. And then as you start to build your coaching plan, that that should help you as you start to introduce and, you know, all of that with your slides and all that kind of stuff in your in your beginning of the year meeting.

Chrissy Beltran [00:23:10]:

Yeah. I love that. Thank you so much for everything you shared today. I really loved the four types of teachers. It gives you a lot to think about, in terms of working with the faculty that you have and meeting them where they are and addressing the needs that they have. So thank you for that. How can coaches keep learning from you? And can you please share a little bit about the summit that is coming this summer? Because that is one fantastic way that people can keep learning from you.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:23:31]:

Oh, yeah. So keep learning from me. You could, go to my website, www.simplycoaching.co. So I wanna make sure that that is simply coaching.co. That is the website. You can hop on, find out so many things. Also, every single Wednesday, I go live on YouTube. It’s called workshop Wednesday. I do about a thirty, forty minute, little mini workshop on little nuggets that you can take and start to implement, throughout your coaching journey. And then you could also, follow us or check out the summit this summer. This is our eighth year. Chrissy Beltran has presented at every single summit. I still remember the day that I sent the email, and I said, hey. Here I have this I have this thing, this idea. And you know what’s funny is, like, every idea I have, Chrissy Beltran says, oh, yeah, Nicole S. Turner . That’s cool. Let’s figure out how we could get it done. And so the summit is in its eighth year. This year, we are doing something different every year. If you have ever been to the summit before, you know that every year we do it differently. This year, we’re going old school. We are going to do it all on demand. So all of the sessions are prerecorded. There will be a couple of pop up lives, that some of the presenters want to do, and that’s completely fine. There will be a community on the inside. You’ll have ninety days where you have access to all of the sessions. We have Jim Knight as one of the keynotes. And at this recording of it, I’ve not released the third keynote speaker. I’m one of them, and it’s a big surprise. So if you’re listening to this, run to the website so that you could see who that third presenter is, and you could go to www.simplycoachingsummit.com, and you could check out, all of the presenters. We have about 30 presenters. We have this year, we have more practitioners than we do consultants, and that was very intentional. And because I want voices who are in the field, they’re in the buildings, they are working through, and not just people who are, quote, unquote, experts, but I want people who are in the field and they’re showing you actual things to do. Our theme this year is the, build your coaching playbook. It was very intentional, because there are three, you know, three things that that you need to do to build that that playbook. And, one, you need to document what it is that you are doing. So when you come to the summit, you’re gonna document. You’re going to, you know, choose the strategies, the things that you’re you’re doing, how you do build that process. That’s the Mhmm. The second one. What coaching process are you I don’t care what coaching cycle you use. I mean, I have one. I know you have. Everybody has different coaching, cycles out there, but you need to document which one that you’re using and then how you are tracking your work. And so that all flows into your coaching playbook. And so that is how you are going to build that, in all of the those pieces to the puzzle. So come and and and really grab you have ninety day access to those videos. And so you could, you know, watch them, rewatch them, rewind. That’s the one thing that I love about the summit is, like, you know, sometimes you go to conferences and you’re like, dang. What did that presenter say? But you could actually

Nicole S. Turner  [00:26:54]:

just rewind, that and watch them over and over. And then you have a community of of folks all over the country, all over the world, actually, that will be in attendance and that you have access to. You could DM them. There’s a a cool community space, all of that kind of stuff that you could, join in.

Chrissy Beltran [00:27:12]:

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here today.

Nicole S. Turner  [00:27:14]:

Thank you for having me.

Chrissy Beltran [00:27:17]:

I’ve gotta say that I am super proud of Nicole S. Turner  and I for staying on task because we have a tendency for our conversations to ramble. So we really focused it on that coaching culture, and I hope you walked away with some great ideas about thinking about the teachers that you have, how you can kind of reflect their needs in your approach so that they feel honored and supported and so they’re ready to listen to you also. I will actually add a link for the summit in the show notes so that way you can join us this summer. It’s July, I think, sixth through eighth, and I can’t wait to share with you. I have a really cool action plan session that I’m doing for school leaders and instructional coaches who are also school leaders. And so you’re definitely gonna wanna check that out. Next week, I am sharing about monthly morale boosters for teachers. Now there are some real systemic issues that make morale a challenge in any school, But I have some ideas, things that you can do on a much smaller scale to at least bring a little bit of joy and appreciation to a teacher’s day. Until then, happy coaching!